Australian Coat of Arms Dr Brendan Nelson  
Australian Government Minister for Education
Science and Training and Training

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Edited Transcript of Address Given to the South Australian Press Club

26 April, 2002

BRENDAN NELSON:

Members of the South Australian Press Club, ladies and gentlemen.

I must say that I didn't expect to receive the privilege of being able to serve as the first Education, Science and Training Minister in Cabinet for the first Government elected in the 21st Century. Every day that I have the privilege to do this job is a blessing and it's a blessing because it's all about our future.

When Sir Robert Menzies addressed the founding members of the Liberal Party of Australia in October 1944, he said to every good citizen the state owes not only a chance in life but a self-respecting life, and embedded in those two statements by two statesmen from two different countries is not so much where Australian education has been but very much a philosophy and a driving force which I intend will see us through whatever period I have the privilege to be the Minister.

At the war's end, the world was characterised by 100 segmented markets and Australia's place in it had been defined culturally and economically by engagement in two World Wars and agrarian land and labour-intensive industries based primarily on the exploitation of natural resources – in mining, agriculture and manufacturing. And when you think of us as Australians today we look back on that from the safe and paradoxically insecure distance of sixty years; in a world and a country that's rapidly changing; in a country that's moving onto new horizons and challenges undreamt of perhaps only a decade ago - especially for those Australians living at the epicentre of economic and cultural changes that are being worked into our society. You can understand why there is a sense of unease in many parts of this country, and perhaps it is into that context that in particular our consideration of where Australian higher education should be placed needs most important to be put.

We're a population of 19 million people with 0.3 percent of world population. We’re still only 1 percent of world trade and 6 percent of APEC. And we’re living in a world that is now coalescing into three major trading blocks and there’s no place to hide from the winds of reform. By that of course we mean the things that we as human beings most fear and that is change.

I am privileged to represent the electorate of Bradfield on Sydney’s upper north shore. Most of the people that I represent want Australia to be a republic; they readily embrace the share market; they see Australia in every economic and cultural sense as being a part of the rest of the world. When they raise issues of information and communications technology with me, it’s usually about slow internet access. When you go from the Opera House or Melbourne Cultural Arts Centre or the Brisbane Exhibition Centre; to the outer suburbs of our large cities, some regions of Australia and indeed much of rural Australia, you find that many Australians feel a sense of economic and educational and technological disengagement from many of those Australians perhaps that I am privileged to represent.

I was opening the Tweed Heads campus of Southern Cross University two weeks ago which was attended by 60 people. It’s a facility which, specialises in particular, in information and communications technologies, interactive video-teleconferencing and a whole range of new modalities. I said to them that if you think back, 100 years ago there probably would have been 2, maybe 3000 people there to open the 20th century equivalent of what that and other institutions of learning are doing across Australia. And that is a century ago we would have been opening train lines. Most Australians, and I know South Australians in particular, understand the importance of rail infrastructure and the importance of the role that it played in the development, economic and cultural, of the 20th century and that it will continue to play in this. But the rail lines for the 21st century will be increasingly based in knowledge and education and information. And those industries that made this country what it is will continue to be important, and enhancing and adding value to those traditional commodities will be found very much in knowledge and in the application of science. The next generation are more likely to find that their careers will be based very much in industries of knowledge, in health, in education, telecommunications, biotechnology and a whole range of emerging industries.

In thinking about and articulating a vision of education in Australia, one thing that drives me is two photographs. The first is when you walk into my ministerial office in Canberra is a large framed photograph of the late Neville Bonner. Bonner was of course the first aboriginal Australian elected into federal parliament. And the reason that it is there is Bonner had only one year of formal education at Beaudesert High School; did three grades in one year, had been denied an education by virtue of poverty, and by the fact that non-indigenous parents would not allow an indigenous person to attend a primary school south of Lismore. Bonner said before he died that his grandmother had taught him a number of things but the most important was that if he could learn to read and write and communicate and have the courage to express his ideas and treat people with decency, that he would go a long way. He also said before he died that in his experience of the world, the two commodities that we needed more of were human compassion and understanding.

The second photograph, which is a more recent edition to my office, which sits immediately behind my desk, is a photograph of me with a young woman called Tara Thompson. Tara Thompson lives in the southern suburbs of Adelaide. She is one of a number of young people in this city whose lives have been turned around by virtue of Hallett Cove Youth Pathways project and a series of programs run through the Southern Adelaide Educational Program. The reason that her photograph is there is because I think that our vision of education in Australia needs to be that all of us should see education as about learning – a process that begins not long after we are born and which continues fairly much throughout our lives until the end of it. We should see education as different from training, though each of them are important and complimentary. We need to understand the difference between education and training but also the importance of knowing that difference. That acquiring a set of skills for a job, a utilitarian objective is one that will give us skills that might last only five to seven years before they need to be upgraded or indeed trained. It’s education that gives us resilience for life itself. That we should encourage young people to remain at school for as long as they are able, to preferably complete year 12 and to see a horizon that includes higher education and the importance of undertaking a university degree. We are equally determined that young people in the early and middle part of their secondary school education know that there are choices available to them which include vocational education and training, which include TAFE, which include New Apprenticeships and Traineeships and that the decisions that they make – if they choose to undertake any one of those choices, that the young person who decide that they will undertake training through TAFE or do an Apprenticeship, that their lives, that their educational choices are no less important to us than those who choose and are able to go onto higher education.

And Tara Thompson is important. I’d only been in the job five days and I rang this young woman, and she had just completed a First Aid Certificate, and she is just as proud of that First Aid Certificate as I am of my medical degree. She is now undertaking a course at TAFE, and the whole message to remind me is that when I go to Australian universities, and a group of students say to me the only thing we care about is what happens to students and what happens to students in this university – what I say to them is of course, it’s important what happens in universities, but you should not ever forget the hard work of many Australians individually and in business whose taxes essentially underwrite education in all its forms, including in higher education.

I was standing outside the Queensland University of Technology and I said to this woman standing next to me, ‘what do you think about universities?’ She said ‘I don’t know really – I applied to go to one once but I didn’t get in.’ She said, ‘Are you going in there?’. I said ‘Yes I am – I’m going into meet the management team, meet students and get a good feel for QUT.’ She said ‘You might tell them something for me when you’re in there – I work really hard, I know that my taxes help pay for what people learn inside that university but when they apply for the same job that I’m applying for, they’re more likely to get it. You just let them know that.’ And I think that whatever our concerns are, as they should be for Australian higher education, we should not ever forget that there are Australians whose determination is to feed their kids, pay their car loans and their mortgages, who have not ever seen the inside of an Australian university – who dream that their children might do, whose needs and aspirations in this regard are no more or less important than of anybody else who has spent a lifetime committed to higher education.

When I came into the portfolio, within three weeks, I had made a decision – the culmination of which I am about to outline to you. The decision that I made is that the status quo of Australian Universities will be very difficult to sustain. There are people in the sector that argue that there is a crisis in Australian higher education. I understand why they argue that there is a crisis. Can I just say to those that argue that there is a crisis in Australian higher education that if you want to see a crisis in education, go to the Northern Territory and go to places outside of Darwin and Alice Springs. Then come back and you’ll be able to me that only 16 of 378 Aboriginal children can pass a basic Year 3 reading test and only 23 of 369 can pass a basic Year 5 reading test. I’d suggest that’s a crisis in education. Where only a quarter of the kids in Arnhem Land even attend school – that’s a crisis. Also if you want to go and speak to Reverend Bill Crews who runs the Exodus Foundation, based in Sydney’s inner west, when he’s not feeding the poor, looking after prostitutes and drug addicts, he runs with Macquarie University a program out the back of the school for kids who spent five years in the education system and then come along and say, in a mentoring and tutoring program, ‘oh it’s the black stuff you read’. You want to talk about crisis, maybe that’s a crisis. Or you ought to talk about Australians at least, Australians of a working age (still two generations) who hear us talking about emails and internets and connectedness to the rest of the world, who still don’t even know how to turn a computer on. Maybe that’s a kind of a crisis to which we need to turn our minds, the first instalment of which I’ll be making an announcement about shortly. And then I could also say that a sector that’s got $20 billion in fixed assets, $4.4 billion in liquid assets, borrowings for the sector at $426 million representing 2% of asset value and revenues this year of $10.4 billion – almost $2 billion more than it had 6 years ago, I don’t consider that there is any serious grounds for arguing that there is a crisis.


But if you think about where we want Australian higher education to be – not this year or next year – but where it’s going to be 10 or 20 years from now, we have to make very important decisions now about putting Australian higher education on a sound footing for the 21st Century. Today I am releasing the first of what will be a series of discussion papers to inform public debate on our challenges, the real challenges, serious challenges, facing Australia’s higher education and what our choices are as a society in relation to the policies we might choose to adopt and implement, and the debate should not – under any circumstances – be confined to those who are privileged to work in Australian higher education, or who are students of it. It is a debate which all Australians should be party to and to which we all owe – whether we have ever been to university, whether we understand what goes on in Australian higher education or whether we think our children might ever need to do so.

It’s time also, I think, that we have the maturity to undertake this debate in a way that is free of highly politicised and emotional language which has characterised the past. It seems that every time an Australian education Minister says "we need to have a look Australian universities and think about changes, and think about the future" we seem to descend very quickly into a kind of not only a partisan political kind of modus operandi, but it’s almost as if people in the higher education sector are digging into an entrenched position which is often out of step with where the rest of the community is. The ideas and the different choices which are promoted in this first discussion paper are not Government policy, but they are intended to stimulate a discussion and hopefully inform a discussion which is a little bit more informed than some of which has passed for debate in the past.

I have (with the support of the Secretary of my Department, Dr Peter Shergold, who is here today) established a specialist unit within the department who work specifically on higher education reform. That specialist unit is being overseen by Mr Bob Goddard who has been recommended to us by the Australian Vice Chancellors Committee, I have also formally invited the Business Council of Australia to nominate another person to join that specialist group, that group is producing the discussion papers who will be digesting the responses to them, and will also be undertaking some focussed response work with organisations and individuals. I’ve also established, and am announcing today the composition of a Reference Group which will directly advise me on the issues that are being put into the public arena, the responses from not only the broader Australian society but the different parts of the Australian higher education sector, and seeing we’re in South Australia you should know that Madeleine Wooley who is the director of the Adelaide Institute of TAFE and the Deputy Chairman of the TAFE Directors Australia, will be on that Reference Group. She will be joined by Professor Denise Bradley, the Vice Chancellor of the University of South Australia and Mr Robert Champion de Crespigny who, of course, has impeccable business credentials, as well as being the Chancellor of Adelaide University.

It’s my intention that the subsequent discussion papers will cover governance, administration within the sector, the interface between vocational education and training and Australian higher education. We’ll also be looking specifically at finance; quality of teaching, research and scholarship and a final paper on specialisation within the sector and regional engagement. 13 years after John Dawkins amalgamated the colleges of vast education and universities and the introduction of HECS, we need to ask ourselves what defines a university? To what extent does scholarship, teaching and research define a university? One Vice Chancellor said to me, recently, that of another institution – he said "I don’t think things are all that good there, they put a lot of emphasis on teaching and there isn’t much research", Similarly there is an argument raging in Victoria about whether Melbourne University Private should be stripped of its title of a university because its research is entirely driven by business interests and commercial-in-confidence arrangements. Whatever the legitimacy of those two points of view as examples, it is important that not just philosophically, but practically, we say now what does define a university? Could a university, for example, be an institution that engages in high quality teaching, in scholarship, and in research which is predominantly focussed on the regional, economic and social needs of the area in which it is based? Is that an appropriate thing for us to be looking at?

Another fundamental question is who is going to university? Why are they going? We know that four out of ten don’t complete, one of those four comes back to it, of the three who don’t complete half leave in the first year; why do they leave? Why are they there in the first place? What should be we doing to support those students to see that they are less likely to leave? And one of the reasons why I am so determined that young people feel that they can make choices, in terms of education to which they in their hearts feel they are best suited, instead of meeting the unfulfilled ambitions of their parents, and of society that are projected on to them, is that if that young people feel that instead of doing what their parents often argue that they should do, or society says they should do (because as a society we say to young Australians increasingly – success is a mobile phone, fashionable clothes and BMW’s and outstanding results in year 12 and if you don’t achieve any or all of those things in all kinds of ways, then perhaps you are a disappointment). They are the messages that young people pick up early in their secondary education, and if any of you have spent much of your lives dealing with young people who are disengaged and you’ve scratched the surface, you find beneath it, that is one of the things. So apart from the human dimension of this, there is also a question as to whether university places, where there will always be an attrition, always, let’s just make sure that as best we can, as a society, as educationalists and as parents, that people go there for the right reasons. Another issue, which is covered in this paper is how are students being taught? What’s going to lead to more customised approaches to degree acquisition that recognises models of learning completed through different providers at different times. Can you enrol, for example, the University of South Australia and undertake courses in another institution and graduate from the University of South Australia with that degree? Of course you can. We, at the moment, do not run a funding and Government arrangement which makes it easy. How can we improve access for people from low socio economic backgrounds – to indigenous students, students with disabilities, and in particular students from rural and isolated parts of the country?

One of the key issues that’s canvassed in this paper, and will be the subject of standalone paper is specialisation. I went to one Australian university that runs 167 courses, 96 of the courses have fewer than 5 students enrolled. 20% of the units being offered in Australian Universities have less than 5 students enrolled. More than 4,000 university units have only one student enrolled, now in many cases there are sounds arguments why that should be the case, but in many others there are not. At the moment what we do as a nation, and what we the Commonwealth Government does, is we effectively say to universities offer a smorgasbord, and we penalise (in a sense) universities that try to specialise and differentiate, notwithstanding the fact that many of them had sought to do so under the current arrangements. We also have a one-size-fits-all funding model, and if I look forward into the future, which is such an important part of the job, there are 38 publicly funded universities, can we have a funding arrangement which puts a sound foundation under universities that are in (inaudible) and universities which are described by some Vice Chancellors as "equity universities". Can we put a solid foundation under them financially which encourages them to specialise and to collaborate, at the same time we might be able to enable one or two of Australia’s larger institutions to genuinely aspire to be world class as international competitors? Under the current arrangements, if we continue as we are, neither will be possible.

Governance and administration is another area that will be the subject of a specific discussion paper. We need to look at governing bodies and who is on governing bodies. Why are they on governing bodies? What roles do they have? What skills do they bring to the group? And at the moment, the university Acts which establish universities are all different throughout the country, so what govern commercialisation, intellectual property, or the management of physical resources in one state, is quite different from that in another, and in that regard in particular the last thing that I want to do as Minister is to strive to say to State and Territory Governments what they should do in this regard. We should come to this recognising that we as Australians, whatever our politics, have a common set of problems, and we should work as best we can together to see that we can address them. There are issues of workplace relations and universities needing the flexibility to be able to rapidly change course structures and course offerings to meet the needs of particular students, the commercialisation of intellectual property, (inaudible) of private sector investment in university infrastructure – they are again part of the issues we need to address. In other parts of the world, universities rely fairly heavily on business and industry engagement and investment. That is not the culture in Australia, and (inaudible) taxation and corporate Government arrangements make it relatively easy for a university and industry to do just that.

One of the other real concerns, in fact I often say to my colleagues that it’s not the economic indices with which we are so, understandably, concerned that will define our future and our destiny as a people. It is our values, our beliefs, the way we relate to one another to see our place in the world. And universities – as John Niland the Vice Chancellor of the University of New South Wales said to me a few months ago, he said "universities pass the soul from one generation to the next", and one of the concerns I think we should all have, where universities increasingly -as they must – look for private sources of funding – is what is the role for humanities, fine arts, philosophy, literature, language and all of those things that define who we are and give meaning to our society. How do we protect them? How do we make sure that their place is secure in an environment which increasingly looks at commercialisation and private sector investments, and that will be covered at length throughout the course of the review.

One of the other problems facing the sector, I think also is us. It is Commonwealth regulation. The extent to which my Department regulates Australian Universities is in itself an area that needs serious reform. We’ve entered the realms of public accountability, but I am determined, and in fact the secretary is currently looking at this, I am determined to see that we cut some of the red tape which exists between us and Australian universities so the universities can spend more time teaching and researching, and less time reporting to the Commonwealth Government.

And, finally, I am currently also working on some reforms which will (inaudible) the internationalisation and marketing of education from Australia and its universities.

Thank you

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